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SS-pro

I have a "Ghost-object" an invisible exact square and in the upper left-corner.
it shows as a few (5) bright pixels in preview untill page is finished loading

I "Delete" it, i "Cut" it ...wont go away.

I cant select it by a mousepress but only by dragging mouse around it.

Then i can drag this object to the middle of my work-area...delete/cut it again....then i look in that corner and it's there again.

It's half in the work area and half off-screen (from the work-area) (x=0, y=0)

I succeed in giving it a color but when i after that close the quick-properties menu..then it's invisible again and back in the corner

Most of the time it doesn't have a Object or Geo name...other times it does.


Then i quit and restart SS-Pro ...Ghost still there.



Then i use "clean-components" "wich finds 4 unused components" > ok i delete them.

But the Ghost is still there


Then i use "clean-components "wich finds 1 unused component" ok i delete it.

But the ghost is still there


Then i use "clean componets" ""nothing to clean"

...yep as you expected..again...THE GHOST IS STILL THERE !



How to remove it ?


Radio

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After above failed cleaning operation
i decide to go back to the older version of this page

So i load that page (same name)

There's the pop-up:

"Would you like to reload the current...bla bla"

> Ok




Now i dont get the older version
but the newer UNSAVED version.

I have reported this before
but no-one replied.


What a messs !


Radio

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Sometimes i succeed to see it's geo-name and obj-name
..but the next time it has a different name(s) or no name at all
(thats what i call a real ghost)

When i preview > look in the source...then the just found obj and geo names dont exist.

The page: HERE

The ims-file: HERE


Radio

This message has been edited. Last edited by: radiotechscan,

I just tried your link four times. At no time could I detect any “ghost” object.

The only thing in the upper left corner was gray, which is a part of the background for your menu, and also is correct.

Your IMS file is probably no good as we wouldn’t have the associated files. But, out oof curiosity, I tried the link and got the following.

Not Found
The requested URL /Playerframenew2.ims was not found on this server.
Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

Apache/2.2.11 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.11 OpenSSL/0.9.7a mod_auth_passthrough/2.1 mod_bwlimited/1.4 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635 PHP/5.2.6 Server at www.djmambito.nl Port 80

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Yep...wrong url for the ims-file
i corrected it it's there now.

That ghost object is there
Load the page ..keep your eyes on the upper-corner of the left-side-border of the player (video-area)

Just below the [LATIN] button on the vertical border of the player/video-area (not page)

You will see 3 dots exactly on the border
they show just for 1 second before the video starts.

So i looked in the work area..there's nothing there
als nothing gets positioned there (CSS or script)
It only showed up tonight

All i did tonight was animation-sound
and append a page in order to copy something..that was not this page.



Radio

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Ok i got a little closer..and it looks like a BUG to me.

Here is that same page...where i removed everything so now the player doesn't cover it
and you can stare at it as long as you wish.


Empty page with just the menus: HERE

IMS file: HERE


All that's left now is the 4 menu-item groups

You see 4 white pixels close to left-upper corner
(border of the page)

Everytime when i remove 1 Menu (group)
then 1 dot goes away.

So when i remove 2 menus then i see only 2 dots

When i remove all menus ..then all dots are gone
and that gost square in my work-area also.

Conclusion this must be caused by those menus
or maybe better...by the animation/acts that are
attached to them...most likely the sound on trigger ,
since that is what i added today and yesterday i had no dots at all.

So i suspect SS-Pro of hiding something there
in that ghost & dots which is related to the script that does the sound-triggering
..wich i set from the bahaviour menu.

It never stops...doesn't it

Only 1 week on SS-Pro...of wich i spend about 35% of the time figuring out bugs and unclear methods.

I'm 99% shure this must be it

I hope someone or VM-staff can resolve mentioned error quickly or send me a work-around.


Radio

I have opened your empty page several times, (IE7), and at this stage, have seen no “dots” or ghost items.

I have most certainly watched very closely and could find no error.

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You cant see the "Gost"...that is on my work-area but you should see the dots...I suppose they are both the same or caused by the same.

I see the dots at the online page...so you should see then also

Radio

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I don't see them either, no matter how hard I look.
Are you sure you don't have some 'dead' pixels on your monitor?
May be worth putting up a blank page with a black background, and see if it still happens.

Edit: Silly me A dead pixel wouldn't show at all! Could be a 'hot' or 'stuck' pixel. More info Here

This message has been edited. Last edited by: Bailey,

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I also noticed that since i have that ghost/dots,
the menu is now so slow that it is unusable,
somtimes it doesn't even show at all.

I put back an older page from yesterday
no ghost, no dots, and a good working menu again.

The difference between now and yesterday
is the to-the-behaviour and objects attached sounds.
even when i disable it it wont behave good anymore and still show ghost and dots.

Tomorrow i will start all over again from yesterdays (good working) page
and check for unwanted effects after each step i make...aaarrrggghhh.

Anyway that bugdemo page (link in one of above posts) is still there
for you to see the dots...as said when i remove the 4 menus 1 by 1 then
the dots also disappear 1 by 1...the ghost also (proably there's 4 of them)
..it is clearly all related.


Gotta sleep now.

CU


Radio

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Bailey as i mentioned...they show
just until the player/video is loaded.

They also disappear when i remove the menus.

From that you should know that it cant be my monitor

On top of that if i move the browser-screen
the unwanted dots move along.

Thats a 3-double proof of not being the monitor.

By the way you have to look at that bugdemo page
not at my normal " musictv " cause i put
an old page there.

Check the link in one of above posts.

It is in the in the bahaviour/act script PUNTO FINAL !!!
...i go on my knees if not...

I gave an extensive discription of that ghost (on desktop only)
the dots (preview and online) are most certainly related to that.
since when i remove the menus they are both gone
also they appear at almost the same position.

On top of that after i added "sound on click" to the bahaviour (according to the tutorial)
the whole menu is not worth a single dime anymore.

It's all caused by that same "adding sound to behaviour"
disabling doesn't help it probably still works on it somehow...without executing.

Ok before i sleep...here's a screenshot from the bugdemo page (with just the 4 menus on it):






That is from this page HERE


EDIT
Bailey thats one more proof of not being the monitor..as you know screenshots dont take
actual pics from monitors.
just kidding and overstating my point now


Radio


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I also don't see the dots on your bugdemo.html page (IE7). But that's the nature of ghosts -- some people see them and others don't.

The ghost rectangles on your workpage are artifacts of the four groups you are using. If you have a group on a page, SiteSpinner, for reasons best known to itself, keeps a normally invisible rectangle in the top left corner. (SS Pro and SS Basic are the same.)

These ghosts should not show on your finished page -- if the dots you see are exactly 50px from the top or left, they might be the right or bottom edge of the ghost. As we don't the the dots, can you post a screen-shot of your browser top/left corner that shows what you see? [Ignore that -- you just did.]

For others reading this: to see the ghost on a workpage with a group:

Mouse to x:60, y:60 and right click.

From the right-click context menu, click Select > All Left.

This selects a ghost rectangle at top left.

[Edit, having seen your screen-shot, I think the dots are some artifact of your computer -- video card maybe? If nobody else sees them on a live page, (I still don't) it's not a problem.

This message has been edited. Last edited by: Bruceee,

You know what? I CAN see them now (but only on the bugdemo page )
Not as pronounced as they are in your screen-shot, but very faintly there. They show more clearly when I reduce my browser size.

I think this is a browser issue. I do not see any dots in FF. In IE I see the 3 bots, but in Opera, the three dots are grouped giving a single large dot in the upper-left corner.

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" Browser issue ? "



it depends on what you call a "browser issue"
i general i would say something that doesn't
work correct in IE7 is not really a browser issue


"only on the bugdemo-page"

I have romeved the sound from the menus
(4 objects/groups) on my musictv page
so you wont see it there anymore...i put back yesterdays page without sound (and as a concequence you dont see gost/dots)

So dont conclude anything from that it should now only be visible at bugdemo


" artifacts "

  
1. any object made by human beings, esp. with a view to subsequent use. 

2. a handmade object, as a tool, or the remains of one, as a shard of pottery, 
   characteristic of an earlier time or cultural stage, esp. such an object found at an archaeological excavation. 

3. any mass-produced, usually inexpensive object reflecting contemporary society or popular culture: 
   artifacts of the pop rock generation. 
 
4. a substance or structure not naturally present in the matter being observed but formed by artificial means, 
   as during preparation of a microscope slide. 

5. a spurious observation or result arising from preparatory or investigative procedures. 

6. any feature that is not naturally present but is a product of an extrinsic agent, 
   method, or the like: statistical artifacts that make the inflation rate seem greater than it is. 

Seems that my name for it "Ghost" was not bad at all
In fact the best name that really describes it is ""Unwanted Side-effect"
maybe this is needed ... but it shouldn't happen
i dont need anything on my workarea that i did not put there

...and wich cannot be removed (if it could it probably destroyed some wanted function)
...and wich is not explained nowhere
...and wich causes distortions on the viewed page (thats the worse part of it)
...and wich (not shure yet) slows down my system/page to such degree that it becomes useless.

Anyway this is not caused by my system (standard Sony Vaio)
1st because i have never seen this untill i added sound to behaviour.
2nd because others see the problem also.


As said before, i now try and pinpoint/solve the problem...by making that page all over again
and check for ghost/dots after each step...thank you SS-pro ..i really have nothing better to do.

By the way this is not funny for me i'm not fooling around,i need to produce my page
and depend on it for making a living...this website itself is my product.
it's not some side-advertisement for something else
I have now payed for this software and expect it to work correct
i dont have the time for artifacts,ghosts and other unexpected/undocumented/unwanted side-effects.

That player-frame is going to be copied a zillion times including possible errors
so the 1st one needs to be 100% ok...wich means i'm stuck again
i refuse to put up a website with errors.

As said before, i now try and pinpoint/solve the problem...by making that page all over again
and check for ghost/dots after each step...thank you SS-pro..i really have nothing better to do.

You may wonder "how come this guy has so much problems"
probably that is because i'm working with this 24/7 16 hours a day.
so i get all the bull at once...dont blame it on my person.
dont either say "you want to much" ...i want a lot but mostly that what SS-Pro says it can do.


Radio

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I can now confirm that it's a BUG.

Do below to see it..takes you 3 minutes:



1) Make a new project
2) Background black
3) Red square in the middle

now do a preview..no dots

4) Add sound to the square obj-editor > sound

do a preview...DOTS (white)

That's all...very basic.

if you add more squares with sound added to them
you will get more dots.



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It's a BUG
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And i absolutely dont get it why this was not noticed during development.



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Workaround untill it's solved:
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Put a small rectangle or something else on top (background-colored)
so it gets covered...lucky enough the dots are not in the top-layer.

Or dont add sounds to objects at all


Now i try to discover why sometimes adding sound to an object
or in addition to a triggered behaviour:

1) The sound wont play the 1st time you trigger it.
2) The page becomes so slow that it's useless.



Radio

This message has been edited. Last edited by: radiotechscan,

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Adding sound to an object:

1) Double-click on object.
2) Object-editor > sound > click on speaker-icon > settings

There it seems that you can either fill out a path to the soundfile
or search to it from the "choose" soundfile button.

But i notice i cant fill in anything in the path field
if i could i would have put in "bleep.wav" or "http://websiteurl/bleep.wav"
wich would work fine for online & preview if i had uploaded bleep.wav and also put it preview folder.
but i cant...so i have to go by the ""choose" button.



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Questions
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If "Gather" is marked on uploading this page
will this "bleepsound.wav" get uploaded also ?
i would say yes but i'm not shure.

It could also be that when online viewing the sound
is actually coming from my local folder wich
might explain part of the 1st-time-not-sounding /slowing down problem.

Can you enlighten me ?


Radio

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1. Gather should upload your sound file. I'm sure you will let us know if it doesn't

2. The only way the sound could be coming from your local folder is if your published html has hard-coded references to your local drive. Look for the sound file references in the html -- if the file name/path is not preceded by a drive letter like "C:" or "D:", you are safe.

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From the Export-Progress screen it says:

Collecting file: bleep.wav (799 bytes)

and

Transfering file: /media/bleep.wav


I never used a folder named "media"
but i see it is there at my host.

I alsways put the whole stuff in one root-folder
maybe not good pratice (learning) but thats not the point now.

So i understand that it indeed gathers it
but it is send to the "media" folder that already exists or was created at my server
this happens because SS-pro puts it there by sending it as /media/bleep.wav


This is new for me...never seen SS send to other folders. (or to 2 different folders)


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Question 1
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Is my above understanding correct ?


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Question 2
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What if i didn't have such "media" folder (obviously preinstalled by my host)
would sending it as SS-pro does (/media/bleep.wav)
automatically create that folder ?
Or is such media folder always there.


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Question 3
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I'm asking since i need to figure out why no sound on 1st click (when cache is empty)
since it seems that the add-sound function of SS-Pro dont preload it
on the other hand even without preloading it should still sound.

Also for some reason on other certain moments added sounds slow down the whole menu
in such a way that it cant be because of the preloading (only 700 bytes)
This must be some other error caused by some faulty combination of bahaviour + sound.

Ideas ?



Thanks


Radio

1. Yes.

2. SS will create a media folder if one is not already present on your site. Control these folders from Publisher > Pages > Sub Folders.

3. Windows is a multi-tasking operating system, and it is always doing other things. So you can expect momentary pauses in your animation -- depending on what else Windows is doing at the time.