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Originally posted by Andys logos:
Hi Mccifa

Both sites have current pages cached !

I'm intrigued about your site now but unless I'm really dim can't find a link in your profile, are you keeping it a closely guarded secret so we can't cop it lol ..

Andy

Hi Andy

That's pretty weird then! When I get a chance I'll have a look and try something else. If the current page (redirect) on your old site is still showing then it just goes to show some of the flaws in the Google system. (Sorry Google!!!!)

I have mentioned on here a few times before that I'm not sure Google works as it is supposed to and more examples crop up from time to time. I cannot believe that my newest site has not been found!

No, nothing is 'published' yet and I'm not advertising it as there is a lot of work to do to make it work fully - but the site is there for Google to find with no 'under construction' rubbish (which Google hates) just the best text I could think of to make Google take note.

It is unique, so I won't be giving out any info until it's ready for a full launch. As I can apply similar principles to other areas I'm afraid that I may keep my connection with it very quiet though, ha ha!

I have a number of my own sites and new domains to work on but also run sites for other people and run AdWords campaigns for those and other sites. AdWords is my main business - websites is just a bit of fun, courtesy of good old SS which made it a lot easier for me to become involved.

Cheers

mccifa

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It is unique, so I won't be giving out any info until it's ready for a full launch. As I can apply similar principles to other areas I'm afraid that I may keep my connection with it very quiet though, ha ha!

Oh 'spoil sport' !!

I will be waiting then with great anticipation to see your top secret project, if I don't find it first

Is it going to make you enough green stuff for a Nice Rosa Corsa Ferrari, that's the important issue at the end of the day !

Andy

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Is it going to make you enough green stuff for a Nice Rosa Corsa Ferrari, that's the important issue at the end of the day !

Andy

Nah! Nothing ever does. I had two e-mail notifications that I'd won on the Euro Lotto this week .... which totalled about £11 LOL! What a let down.

So, just keep plugging away at websites/ideas until the miracle of instant wealth happens!

Will have a look at your Google problem in a mo .... before the snooker final starts!

mccifa

Google now only has your index page cached:
site:sites-at.110mb.com/andys-animated-cursors/index.html whereas I hope all pages had been cached?

But likewise on your new site so far: site:sites-at.110mb.com/andys-animated-cursors/index.html

That's what happened when I changed terrystaxi.co.uk and then all of a sudden (over a few weeks) it sorted itself out - well, Google sorted itself out! All the old pages disappeared and the new ones were listed - the index page being the very last.

Please don't think Google is perfect .... because behind the scenes I should think their staff must be tearing their hair out on occasions! Google's great, but it's by no means perfect - even though it strives for perfection.

All IMHO.

mccifa

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Nah! Nothing ever does. I had two e-mail notifications that I'd won on the Euro Lotto this week .... which totaled about £11 LOL! What a let down.

I win a spanish lottery a couple of times a year, it must total well over 1.5mil by now, all I have to is fax of my bank details for the nice people lol !!

Sorry I don't understand your last reply..

My original Tiscali server has only the forwarding page showing as cached which is what I would expect, and my new server has all my pages cached, also what I would expect. Am I 'missing' something here then !

Enjoy the snooker !

Andy

Andy,

I am assuming you performed your site redirect using the meta-tag method. This is not search engine friendly (as you have seen) as it leaves a page still in existence.

The preferred and search engine friendly way is to redirect before the page is served. This can be done via the .htaccess file to tell the server to perform a 301 redirect. When the .htaccess method is used, the server processes the redirect command before any page is sent to a browser, thus a search engine will never see your old page, only the new one.

I realize not everyone can upload or edit an .htaccess file, but if you can, use the following to redirect your site:

Redirect 301 / http://new-site-url.com/  

where new-site-url.com is the new site address.

Hi Larry

I'm afraid you credit me with far to much Intelligence lol, well if any at all !

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I am assuming you performed your site redirect using the meta-tag method. This is not search engine friendly (as you have seen) as it leaves a page still in existence.

I wouldn't have a clue what that is.. all I've done is a page saying 'sorry I've moved' with a clickable link to the new server !!

Don't tell me how to do it and I shall look into this 'htaccess' method to see If I can do it

Andy

Google Page Rank is the work of the devil
18 months ago, I had a PR of 3. No idea how I got it, but I was not complaining.
About 9 months ago, it went down to 0.
In the last 6 months, it has crawled back up to 1.
If no-one can explain how this happened, I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised

Hi

Thats' not good Bailey, but at least it's 1, but does that rank actually make any difference to anything ?

Tried the following...

Redirect 301 / http://sites-at.110mb.com/andys-animated-cursors/

Redirect 301 / http://sites-at.110mb.com/andys-animated-cursors/index.html

The file is saved as just '.htaccess' and uploaded as asc11.

I was going to say it doesn't work but after uploading it and if I then re fresh my ftp client the file disappears so I guess I'm not allowed that type of file in my server space but I thought if that was the case then it wouldn't upload at all.

Oh well.. maybe it's worth doing the meta method or do you think I should just leave it Larry ?

On a Linux system, files beginning with a dot (like .htaccess) are considered to be hidden files. Make sure your FTP client is set to display hidden files.

From their web page, it looks like Tiscali is providing you with just an ISP hosting account. This means they have probably set up their server to provide the minimum of features. Do you have php support on this site? There is a way to use php to perform a 301 redirect also.

If nothing else, you could edit the old index.html page and add a redirect meta-tag (SiteSpinner provides this feature on its Page Editor, but not WebDwarf). But I see you get editorial on your old index page and maybe you want to keep it even if it causes google problems.

Hi Larry

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On a Linux system, files beginning with a dot (like .htaccess) are considered to be hidden files. Make sure your FTP client is set to display hidden files.

I set Filezilla to 'force' showing hidden files and folders and it made no difference so obviously I'm not allowed them then.

Just looked No PHP either !

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But I see you get editorial on your old index page and maybe you want to keep it even if it causes google problems.

Not to sure what you mean there Larry, Tiscali did list my Cursor site on their webpage which I had forgotten all about until you said that ! but having a look now it seems to have gone apart from another site I still have with them on another account. Is this what you meant ?

Andy

Hi Andy,
What I am trying to do is target 5 keywods to each web page.
That is 5 well searched for keywords based on the content of my site.

I just had a look at your website index page
http://sites-at.110mb.com/andys-animated-cursors/ and I think you could make some improvements.

At the moment you have your title and description as:

<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
<title> Andys Animated Cursors ~ Just the Best Animated Cursors !!</title>
<META NAME="Description" CONTENT="Over 1900 Amazing Totally Free Animated Cursors !">

You need some keywords for this page!
You have the word 'animated' repeated 8 times on the page. The word 'cursors' repeated 15 times. The word 'free' 7 times (free is a great keyword)

Try to reapeat each of the words on the page around 15-20 times each.

And try to keep 'animated cursors' together etc...

Maybe this title and description will work better:

<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
<title> Free Animated Cursors ~ Just the Best Free Animated Cursors !!</title>
<keywords> free animated cursors, free cursors, animated cursors,free animated, cursor, andys!"</keywords>
<META NAME="Description" CONTENT="Over 1900 Of The Best Free Animated Cursors From Andys Animated Cursors!">

Don't repeat the same words in the keywords more than 3 times and try to target 5 good keywords for each page

Try to include some links to other pages on your site for your targeted keywords like 'free animated cursors' Try to include the alt tags to images on the page using the targeted keywords.

Can take from 1week to 4 weeks to see the chasnges in the search engines.

In the meantime find a popular blog that you can reply to, preferably without signing up and that you can leave a link to your website with. Make sure a few people have already replied in the last few days, this will be popular Post around 5 comments to different blogs. This should get you up to 600 links to your site in 4 weeks. This should up your page rank

A higher page rank will rank you higher in the search results than other sites with a lower page rank for the same keyords. But if the other site has better content and more of the same keywords they may rank higher.

I have made 1 page to target the keywords 'joiner sheffield' so I am the top of google for this phrase.
http://joinersheffield.sheffield-link.co.uk/
Only made this page a few days ago so it could take time. But my main site is already on the 1 page in google for 'joiner sheffied '

Hope this helps

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Hi Adaptor

Many thanks for taking the time to do all that. I'm sure your right on all points but I really don't want to get into writing my websites for search engines, but for what I think people will want if you get my 'drift'

Funnily enough I only just added the word 'animated' a few more times on the home page after doing some keyword searching.

Look at this site though,
Ani Cursors
if you search for 'animated cursors' it comes up third with mine no where to be seen yet only has the word 'animated' mentioned 4 times and also has literally zero content, well when compared with mine.

If I was reading through a web page such as mine I wouldn't want to keep reading the same words over & over again as I would find it so tedious, I would just think god I know it's a site for animated cursors so stop going on & on about it ! Do you see what I mean ?

Maybe it's not the correct attitude to take when I moan that I'm not ranked high enough but I would rather my websites were how I want them than written to conform to possible search engine criteria.

Re the title.. I had all the keywords in the title and everyone kept saying it was too long and search engines didn't like it so I made it much smaller and it made no odds but I guess I could add the word 'free' again !

Re the keywords, so not convinced that makes any difference to anything at all, but again I guess it can't hurt adding it.. apart from the fact it's a pain in the but with wd !

Really can't be doing with blogs one little bit but I defiantly do agree with you on that one, I did just join ( well waiting for ) a small cursor 'web ring' that that site listed above is part off, that's another link anyway ;-)

Hope you don't think I sound 'offish' I appreciate greatly any advice, even if I don't follow it !


Regards
Andy

Hi Andy
One thing you can do here is use your site link as signature. That will get picked up. Another thing, currently when you google search animated cursors you are on page 9. Find it, click on it, have others click on it if you can get them to, and the rank does go up. Your adsense should help it go up faster too. Submitting a Sitemap if you haven't is supposed to help also, they are simple to generate and free. Here's a link to a generator that I used: http://www.xml-sitemaps.com/
Good luck.
Dan

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Haven't got any input as to this subject, but I am curious as to how and why any post on this topic appears in both the "How do I" and the "Tips and Insights" categories.

The one on the Tips forum is simply a shortcut to the one on the "How do I" forum. The moderator must think this thread has some lasting worth.

Hi Andy,
The website you mentioned uses the phrase 'animated cursors' 8 times in meta tags, the page, and <a href> links.
Maybe the main reason they are in 3rd position in google is they have a page rank of 3.
The top result in google for 'animated cursors' is a site with page rank 4.
Google assigns a higher page rank to sites beacause they are considerd more important therefore displayed at the top of google.

Your web site google knows the site is all about cursors as the adverts all mention cursors. You may need more traffic to your site and inbound links as this will help your page rank.

Hi

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One thing you can do here is use your site link as signature

Hi Dan, I never did that before because it says you need permission to use html which I thought it meant no links , anyway I added it as you suggested and I will see if it appears !

I do search for my site and click on the links ! It's a bit sad though isn't it I will look in to the sitemap thing as so many people say about it, thanks for the link I will take a look.

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Haven't got any input as to this subject,

That's never bothered me before as I'm sure you know !

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The moderator must think this thread has some lasting worth.

That kind of implies that you don't Bruceee lol
I do apologize sincerely to everyone for turning this potentially useful post into a help Andy campaign, I will scury off into a dark corner with my head down low and not re appear again until I feel the need to be annoying again ( which sadly happens all to frequently ! )

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The website you mentioned uses the phrase 'animated cursors' 8 times in meta tags, the page, and <a href> links.

oops, sorry my mistake ... I have added a small keyword tag, who knows it may be the answer !

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Your web site google knows the site is all about cursors as the adverts all mention cursors. You may need more traffic to your site and inbound links as this will help your page rank.

Yes but they hardly ever change Adaptor, I would have thought every time you re fresh the page you would get different adds, it's not very good advertising for repeat visitors is it, I guess though if no ones paying to have cursors listed there's not alot they can do ?

Thanks for everyones help and advice

Andy

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