Hi

Only just noticed this and I don't think it's a 'set up' problem as the page appears just fine when viewed in Opera or Firefox, it's just an IE 'thing'

Look at the bottom of this page and you will see that the red frame does not go to the bottom of the page when viewed in IE but it does ( as it should ) when viewed in FF. I've just noticed now though that in ff all the 'box' lines are just messed up This page worked perfectly fine in ALL browsers when made in WD.

Now look at the bottom of this page or any of the others that are all made in WD and they all go to the bottom of the page. well practically.

I looked at an 'old' page that had a different frame that was also done in ssp and that didn't go to the bottom either.

OK you may think this really silly of me and no one will notice but know I know about it it's annoying me already I made it to go to the bottom of the page so it should do.

I just don't think that ssp really likes anything that was previously made in wd, well that's what it seems like.

Andy

Andy,

I just checked both of your links in IE7 and the red frame goes to the bottom of the page in both, for me at least.

Terry

Andy,

Try making the height of obj291 shorter, maybe 82 pixels. I think that at 94 pixels, it is extending below your bottom gif, making the page longer thus showing a bit of green.

Andy,
I don't know if you've done anything to the page since yesterday, but it looks just fine to me, the red frame goes to the bottom of the page (IE8).

Hi

Thanks all for looking, it's odd it all looks ok, apart from Larry who I presume see it ? I haven't changed it Roma since posting.

I checked obj291 Larry, it wasn't over the frame but I did reduce it and then even deleted it but it made no difference.

Here is a better explanation of what I mean..
Test Page Also can anyone see the 'doubled up' boxes that I get on that page when viewed in FF ? It's perfect in IE!

Also while I was 'messing around' just now trying different things I observed the following. Double clicking on the bottom red frame section to bring up the object editor sometimes it would show the object as both re rendered and anti aliasing, but other times ( while making adjustments such as 'locking/unlocking' or moving other object) it would come up with both check boxes UN checked ! This is definitely 'buggy' as I never touch those settings they just change on themselves ! Trouble is I just can't reproduce it, it just seems totally random.

Anyway that frame 're render' on or off makes no difference, just in case. But then if you all see it ok anyway apart from me.. see what you think now with the above pictures.

Andy

The "doubled up" boxes in due to the way Firefox and IE place their borders. Firefox draws your 2 pixel border on the outside of the <div> box which makes the defined height of the object of 74 pixels look like 78 pixels. IE places th border on the inside of he object box, so the height stays at 74 pixels.

Now you want to know how to get rid of it. It looks like you have re-render turned off (and maybe anti-alias too). This lets Firefox and IE place the borders on the page as HTML objects, so the inside/outside border rule given above applies. If you let SS render the frames as objects, they will be displayed as images and will keep their designed dimensions (and appearance) in both FF and IE.

Hi Larry

It would seem sensible to me that If I unlocked everything and then with my mouse draw around all the objects to select them all I could then select re render on or off etc to all the objects but even though it shows 164 object selected it only applies it to 1 which seems daft to me. The Instructions say to apply it to all you need to go to 'project target options'dialogue box, for the life me I can't find that. All I can see is 'project options' 'apply to all object' but it mentions nothing about rendering !I clicked on it anyway but It didn't do anything.

Could you kindly give he a heads up please. I did do a forum search without any luck, ok a very quick one

Thanks
Andy

If you require really precise alignment of your rectangles -- the same in Firefox and IE -- then set re-render on. This forces SiteSpinner (Pro) to make images of your rectangles. Re-render on is the default setting for new rectangles, so it should be already set.

Put re-render off when "adequate is good enough" and you are concerned about page file size. A rectangle made in html code is more economical than one as an image -- although if you pay attention to image file size, the difference can be small. And don't forget you can clone an image, using the same image file over and over.

As Larry said, if you rely on browsers to place borders on rectangles, expect variations in how they do it. So I expect for your individual rectangles you want re-render on -- creating the image file, and no browser variation.

With re-render on you then have an issue of background. Because SiteSpinner is creating an image file, it will pick up whatever background is behind the rectangle on your workpage. Even solid rectangles have backgrounds -- as a line of pixels on the top and left edges of the rectangle. I usually put render background off -- this gives a transparent background in the image formats that support transparency -- everything other than jpg and bmp.

In the Project Options > General tab, is a global setting for "Include Background", which also appears in the Geometry Editor > Options for individual objects as "Render Background". Changing Include Background by itself should affect the background only for new images. Also clicking the "Apply to All Objects" button will apply the settings (image format as well) to all existing objects. Use with caution on a big project -- it is a manual process to go back to a mixture of renderings.

When you selected 164 objects by dragging a box around them, you made a selection or group which is then one object. Most settings you then make will apply to the group. Notable exception: you can change the Quick Editor > Object > Scale settings and that applies to the individual rectangles.

Thanks to you both for explaining that and I understand why it's doing that now but what I wanted to know was how do I make multiple object that are Not set as re render to be set as re render in One go ! I selected but of the box and made it re render and then in 'project options' 'apply to all objects' but that didn't work. I realise what I did to draw around them was just grouping but I don't see why you shouldn't be able to set a global setting of re render on or off to All objects in that group.

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This forces SiteSpinner (Pro) to make images of your rectangles. Re-render on is the default setting for new rectangles, so it should be already set.

It was all made in WD with it off Bruceee that's why. The only reason I tried this page ( at the moment ) in ssp was because I wanted the 'red' box on top where it used to be below and would have been impossible to re do in wd.

Anyway changing slightly, becuase I can't see how to get all the objects re rendered in one go I thought I would have a 'play' with ssp and use the table feature. Really good and a 'doddle' to use but 2 problems.

Once I had made the table and was 'adjusting' a cell, setting the row height to '1' made it look perfect in the working window but in browser preview the bottom cell line is missing !! (see examples below) restoring it back to 'o' and then 'unlocking cell size'and adjusting it manually did the 'trick' in both the working window and preview.

2nd 'problem' viewed in IE & FF there are NO differences in line positioning that I can see and it makes NO difference if re render is on or off now, so how is that ? Also the preview in IE is how I want it to look, just a solid black line but viewed in FF it looks white Is this how it should be?

Test Page

Andy

Yes Again browsers differ in how they draw tables -- the examples in the Tables tutorial show the same "defect".

Re-render has no effect on a table, as tables are always created via HTML code.

I don't know why there is a missing line in IE -- try making your table a slightly different height.

If you managed without tables in WD, then I suggest you continue on that path. There is no need to use tables for layout.

You may be stuck with individually setting re-render on for each rectangle. If you can email me or point me at the direction of your project file, I'll take a closer look.

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You may be stuck with individually setting re-render on for each rectangle. If you can email me or point me at the direction of your project file, I'll take a closer look.

Thanks for the offer Bruceee but I'm not wasting anymore of your time. At this point I have lost all faith in ssp and don't trust it until they've ironed out all these 'bugs' I am going to re do all my last remaining pages in wd, at least that way I know I'm 'safe'.

No one ever commented on my 'test page' pics of the inital 'problem' I mentioned to say if that's how they saw it or not but trying it in the webengine ( I like the little steam engine icon ) that you sent me it goes to the bottom of the page as in wd so it is either something odd with ssp and my pc or another 'issue' Along with 'missing lines'

Andy