Hi

I added some adsense code to one of my sites using wd but doing that separately on 30+ pages is not alot of fun, thus when I had the idea of putting it on my free gifs site with hundreds of pages I wondered If I could use ss and there was an 'add to all pages' feature.

After opening ss ( 4 demo days left ) it took me all of 4 seconds to right click on some code and find the add to all pages function... Don't all you lot have it SO EASY

All 'excited' I started to make my wd free gifs site into an ss project. Firstly I think it's dissapointing that I can't 'append' multiple or all ALL files at the same time rather than 'appending' a single one at a time, great when you have hundreds of pages ...hmm not !

Yes I'm getting to the point...

It is my understanding that the demo's are restricted ONLY by time, that's what the VM home page says, if that's the case I have a problem.

Now I have an ss project with 96 pages when I got to 'append' another page ss just opens up a blank page, it has the correct colour background but zero page contents. Shut down ss and re tried with the same results. Re booted, just the same.

I installed SS Pro and it does exactly the same thing... god it's bright, can you re skin it ? Couldn't find a setting to after a Very quick look.

I hope there is something I am doing wrong but I can't see it as it was so 'easy' to add pages to the project up to now.

Also I found the 'publish' section to be really 'Buggy'. I need different 'image folders' for each animation section but when trying to choose say pages 22-50 the drop down box was only showing 1-12, close it an re open it and then it would show pages 22-30ish. I had to keep closing and opening it until I could get it to display all the pages in the project that I wanted to publish, is this usual ?

I am using version 2.70f which I gather is current.

Also it seems rather annoying to me that every new 'update/program' is not backward compatible and saves in yet another new format as such.

Lastly (!) using ss when ever I click on new or append ( I think) my mouse dissapears back to the centre of the screen which I find very irritating, can that be changed ?

Hope It's not a bug

Andy

You're right about the demo versions -- they are just like the full versions except for the time limit. I'll take your points in the order you raise them:

1. The append problem at No 96 shouldn't happen. At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious, the page you are appending does have something on it? What happens if you try to append a different page? -- in case there is something strange about the page you are appending. Can you try this on another computer?

2. SS Pro too bright? What kind of Windows theme do you have????!!! The colors are determined by what you have set up in Windows. I normally use the basic Windows XP Silver scheme and for me the colors are mostly various shades of grey, with the odd splash of color for the buttons.

3. It's not usual for your publish Window to cut off at 12 or so pages like that. For me, with about 50 pages showing, the drop-down page name box shows all pages, adding a vertical scroll bar when necessary.

4. SS V2.70f is indeed the current one.

5. In SS or SS Pro, to save a project in the "old file format":

Open the main menu File > Save As

Set the new name

With Ctrl+Shift held down together start a normal "Save As"

You should see a warning message about Diagnostic mode

With Ctrl+Shift still held complete the save
The trick is to hold down Ctrl+Shift while doing the save. This should allow you to open a Ctrl+Shift-saved SS Pro project using SS V2.70f. The same trick won't work from the current SS back to WD as there is more than one file version change between them.

6. Your mouse pointer shouldn't be jumping back to the center of the screen. If this is still a problem, can you provide more details about exactly when it is occurring?

You have enough strange things going on that it would be worth trying some tests on another computer if you can. Maybe some of those animated cursors have escaped

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Maybe some of those animated cursors have escaped

That's a scary thought if Andy's avatar is any indication of his cursors.

Hi

Phew, I appreciate the thorough reply Bruceee

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At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious

Thought that was really funny, I do jump in at the deep end and totally miss the 'bleeding obvious' quite often so you were quite correct to ask The answer, oh dear.........

Ha ha only joking even I'm not 'quite' that much of a dumbo. I did think at first that the 'next' page had been corrupted last time it had been saved so I did try opening it (them ) separately and they are ok, I also tried to open them in different orders but with the same results.

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SS Pro too bright? What kind of Windows theme do you have????!!!

Well I opened it the Whole thing was just 'silver' or the very light grey if that's what you call it, I needed my sunglasses ! Completely different to all my other settings ! Ok I guess this is just yet another 'Andy Thing'

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It's not usual for your publish Window to cut off at 12 or so pages like that. For me, with about 50 pages showing, the drop-down page name box shows all pages, adding a vertical scroll bar when necessary.

Ok, I shall look into this when I get time and be more specific.

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In SS or SS Pro, to save a project in the "old file format":

Thanks for that, I have copied those Instructions for later reference.

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Your mouse pointer shouldn't be jumping back to the center of the screen. If this is still a problem, can you provide more details about exactly when it is occurring?

What I will have to do Is try all this on another pc as you suggest, will be a bit tricky so I may not get to you for a while but it does seem odd I have so many problems but then I do have a 'knack' with bugs when using a 'new' program

Thanks.

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Maybe some of those animated cursors have escaped
That's a scary thought if Andy's avatar is any indication of his cursors.

As she says in the movie.......
'Be Afraid, Be VERY Afraid'

They should really have a health warning !

Andy

Andy,

I can’t seem to reproduce any of your problems, everything works fine for me, including the “theme” color settings.

The only thing I can think of is that maybe your installation file was corrupted.

Maybe you could try uninstalling and downloading a fresh install file (after saving all of your projects, of course).

Ok tried it on my dads pc by downloading a copy of ss that has never been on his pc before so it's a completely fresh install. The oc specs are the same as mine just about xphome sp2,pen4ht, mine is xphome sp3,pen4ht.

Loaded my 'project' and tried to 'append' a new page with exactly the same results, the background colour is there but no 'components' on it. It appears that ss has reached some kind of inbuilt limit weather set on purpose or not, funnily enough like we thought on my cursor code crash the other day !

As I thought maybe the 'project' itself had got corrupted while I was making it I started all over again and exactly the same thing happened. I got to about page 93 then it just loaded blank pages. Saved the project and then re opened it and it allows me to add another three and then just continues to open empty pages from page 96 onwards.

As exactly the same thing happens on 2 different pc's this must be a bug surely ?

Re the mouse pointer going to the centre of the page... this is seriously enoying, well it is too me.
Click on 'file/append projects' then say move the opened gui to the top of the screen where I like to keep it, now double click on a file which will obviously open it and instead of the mouse staying at the top of the page it instantly shoots to the centre of the screen !
Also just clicking on 'new project' shoots the cursor from the top left to the centre. This was also exactly the same on my dads !

Also when appending new pages ss doesn't remember the last folder visited so that doesn't help when adding hundreds of pages

Re the 'publishing' 'problem' after experimenting with that I am 99.9% sure that was an idiot operating error !

You just 'beat me to it' postyr, think I answered your questions above, strange you couldn't reproduce it but where you using as many images that I would have had on 96 pages do you think ?

Andy

p.s. Just a final thought, when I re made the project again to insure that it hadn't got corrupted I did re build it again on my pc and not my dads. So of course if there was something odd on mine causing it to corrupt the project for some reason then obviously I would get the same results on the other pc, pretty doubtful though ?

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I meant to say if this does turn out to be a bug then I reckon the cost of a 30 mile journey to 'prove the point' with wear and tear on steering components, suspension bushes, tyres and a required full valet I reckon that must equate to a free copy of ss, doesn't Everyone agree

Don't try, don't get

Oh -- it wasn't a social call to your dear old dad then -- one you would have made anyway?

I think your problem might be the 2500 image limit per project. If you try to load another image to a project already at the image limit, then you get a warning message. But I wonder if you get a warning message when trying to add a whole page. You may not -- in which case it would be reasonable for SS to omit those extra images. How many images do you think you have at the 90+page point -- close to 2500?

If you have hit the 2500 limit, then there really should be a warning message.

I now see the cursor jump to the middle of the screen. To me it seems reasonable for SS to do that -- a jump to the middle of the page added or opened? I can see that in your case where you are adding lots of WD pages you might like the cursor to stay elsewhere, but that wouldn't suit most other users.

You must be about the only user to ever have that many WD pages to do File > Append Project on -- so look on the bright side, you are unique!

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Oh -- it wasn't a social call to your dear old dad then -- one you would have made anyway?

'Ouch' I nearly took that for sarcasm Bruceee lol, actually I only saw them them the other day so it was a special trip

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I think your problem might be the 2500 image limit per project

That would be the answer then because that's about the correct amount, but no warnings, obviously for the reason you have already stated.

So am I understanding you correctly here Bruceee, Sitespinner has a 2500 image limit full stop, so even if I didn't use append but made it purely is ss then I would still be restricted by the 2500 limit ? So If that's the case I can make a large website with the free software but if I actually pay for improved software I now have limits to what I can make ! Hmm that's logical

I guess I can/could just make it in several projects and publish them individually which is obviously still alot better/quicker.

Why the limit then , the project is only 2mb which is nothing for the size of hard drives and when loaded it doesn't slow down ss in any apparent way. Is it a memory issue ? I'd just be interested to now that's all.

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I now see the cursor jump to the middle of the screen. To me it seems reasonable for SS to do that -- a jump to the middle of the page added or opened? I can see that in your case where you are adding lots of WD pages you might like the cursor to stay elsewhere, but that wouldn't suit most other users.

We will agree to disagree on that one I think To me that's like parking your car in a car park and when you go back to get it it's gone because someone has moved it ! I work so fast on pc's when I'm doing a 'repetitive' job that moving the mouse so I have to then 'find it again' just completely destroys all momentum In all the hundreds of programs I have used I have Never come across one that changes the position of your cursor from where it was last clicked. Most users may not mind in the slightest but it just seems a very odd feature to add, well to me

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you are unique!

That's the polite way of putting things, as tactful as ever Bruceee

I would jut like to point out that I am Not ss 'bashing' in anyway what so ever, these are just my own views and I would still like to own a copy even though it wouldn't get me in the guiness book of records for the biggest ever website

Thanks for the help.

Andy

Another 'oddity'

I said above that ss doesn't remember the last folder visited making appending pages a lot more awkward. Well I just realized that If I click 'new' then start adding pages 'append' then ss Does remember the last folder visited, But as soon as you click 'save' ( as I always do while I'm working in case something 'nasty' happens ) then ss doesn't remember the folder location any longer !!

I can understand why ss would go back to the original starting 'location' folder after you have clicked save as that would make sense, but once you have then 'entered' another folder it should then remember that location as it did previously before you saved your work !

I don't think thats' correct

Andy

You raise some good points and let's hope some of these issues can be easily fixed.

I think it is reasonable for SS to remember the folder you used for the last operation, and use that as the default for the next similar operation.

Now that I think more about it more, I think it is reasonable for the cursor to stay at the last position where it was on screen even when you close the dialog box that was under it. For most people, this will be near the center of the screen anyway.

And like you, I think it would be good if we could append multiple projects at once.

And it looks like a bug that we don't get a warning message when SiteSpinner hits the 2500 image limit when appending projects.

We have had discussions here before about the 2500 limit. That is 2500 external images, not including the images that SS itself creates. Not many people strike the limit, but those that do find it irksome. There doesn't seem much prospect of raising that limit, but we can live in hope!

The workaround as you have discovered, is to split a large project into smaller projects.

Another might be possible in your case -- rename an image directory (e.g., with Windows Explorer) so that SS gives "image not found" errors for those images. I don't know whether those missing images would count in the 2500 but would be most interested to know.

If it did work, your operating mode would be to "switch in" the image directories for the pages you are working on and leave the others "switched out".

I expect that WD has a 2500 limit too, but that is 2500 images on a single page -- I expect that even you would struggle to hit that!

Hi Bruceee

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Another might be possible in your case -- rename an image directory (e.g., with Windows Explorer) so that SS gives "image not found" errors for those images. I don't know whether those missing images would count in the 2500 but would be most interested to know.

That's a great thought of yours and I can answer it immediately The reason being is that my drive is in to partitions ( as it should Always be of course !) where as my dads is only one, so as all my 'stuff' is on 'd' I couldn't take the files over as well because ss obviously wouldn't find them as the folder location would be different. Maybe I could have told ss that 'all' images had moved to 'x' folders I don't know, I do realise you can do it for individual ones.

So I tried it on my pc first before I went and just moved the image folders to another location and when you open the project you of course just get the blank image placement boxes and nothing else. When I then tried to append a page I just got a blank page still so I knew I didn't actually require the images to prove/disprove the 'problem'

So great idea of yours but the missing images obviously do go towards the 2500 limit count.

That maybe raises another 'issue'. If ss is in a position where it is not actually loading any images yet the limit is still reached then the limit surely cannot be a 'size' or memory issue ?
I would be Interested for VM to answer just to see what the reasons actually are or weather the limit was just 'built in' for no actual reason other than they thought no one would ever require so many.

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I expect that WD has a 2500 limit too, but that is 2500 images on a single page -- I expect that even you would struggle to hit that!

Oh don't temp me Bruceee, please

I must admit though with my very brief 'go' using ss and without even really trying anything ( don't want to get to attached ) using wd compared to ss is like writing on a slab of rock 'chiseling' with a flint ( or what ever cave 'people' (!) used ) and using a super computer with 'mind control', they sell them at my local corner shop for a couple of hundred but there a bit buggy at the moment !

Regards
Andy

Link to a previous thread. That contains a link to a still earlier thread, where Harpo gave his opinion on it. There's more to it than just memory.

Thanks for running that test -- we now have a little more knowledge about it. I expect that 2500 copies of one missing image would hit the limit, so that offers a fairly easy way for someone to create a test case.