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Originally posted by Derry:
Webman/Aaron,

Not to worry, the version numbers are just a hold-over from WebEngine. V2 is what we are focusing on. Having said that, there will be a V3 release at some point, as well as a V4, V5... but that won't be until we have fully recuperated from getting V2 out the door

Thanks for the clarification Derry.
Of course there will be a v3 in the future as you say.
I really love using the SiteSpinner products!
Have a nice weekend.
Webman

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I found that a page which gives a correct layout using WE2 has some of the text superimposed on other text when the page is created in SiteSpinner Pro. This is as viewed by either the built in preview or by IE7

Hi Ray,

I think your message got overlooked here. It is probably best to post this sort of message in the 'bug report' forum.

Anyway, it looks like the problem is that your added code is conflicting with the text formatting code.

When you add your own code directly inside a text object (by turning off the ‘convert >’ filter), you have to take into account the underlying mark-up code used to format the text inside that object. This mark-up of course is not visible so that makes it a bit of a challenge.

SSP formats text differently (better, we think) from SS so the side effects of inserting code are different. It turns out neither SS or SSP produced valid code when you added in the code but, by luck, the SS version still looked normal.

The main problem is that when the format of a section of text changes, that section is wrapped in tags to describe the format. If you add your own tags, they may be truncated or left open by the existing tags.

For example, take my sentence: “This is a few words and this is more text.”
If you were to add a ‘<div class=’yours’>’ before the word ‘few’ and a </div> before the word ‘more’, you would expect that stretch of text from ‘few’ to ‘more’ to use your class.

Like this:
“This is a <div class=’yours’>few words and this is </div> more text.”

But, if there was existing formatting changes within that sentence, it might look like this:

“This <div class=’mine’>is a few words</div> and this is more text.”

Then your div would be closed by my div which is not what you intended. It would look like this:

“This <div class=’mine’>is a ‘<div class=’yours’>few words</div> and this is </div> more text.”

So…the upshot is that you should avoid any changes in the text’s format (font, color, size, alignment or bulleting) in the sections that you want to add your code to. Because bulleting is a change of formatting, it makes it harder for you in your case.

If you only needed one type of bullet, you could just override the ul tag by adding the following to the styles section and using regular bulleting:

ul{margin-top:8px; margin-bottom:8px;list-style-image:url(./arrow.gif)}
li {margin-top:15px; margin-bottom:5px}


To add a second bullet style: one way would be to define the class ul2 (above the ul redefinition)as you did and then add the <ul class='ul2'> and </ul> around a section of plain text. Then, instead of using the text editor’s bulleting, precede each bullet line with <li>. Finally give the entire section (from <ul to </ul> ) the same font, color, size and alignment with no bulleting. That should ensure there will be formatting tags that you are not expecting.

So you would have something like this:

In your code object:
<style type="text/css">
.ul2 { margin-left: 50px; list-style-image:url(./arrow-black.gif)};
ul{margin-top:8px; margin-bottom:8px;list-style-image:url(./ClipArt/arrow.gif)}
li {margin-top:15px; margin-bottom:5px}
</style>

In the text object:
<ul class='ul2'>
<li>The charge for embossing extra copies is 7 pence
<li>The charge for embossing extra copies is 7 pence
<li>The charge for embossing extra copies is 7 pence
</ul>

By the way, it is not technically valid to add the style into the body of your page but now with SSP you can choose the ‘in CSS’ format for your code object. That will place your code in the CSS section instead of in the body section. You would leave the <style></style> tags out of your code in that case.

There are no doubt other ways around this. for example, adding styles to the text classes SiteSpinner defines for each text format.

I hope that isn't too tangled a description.

Thanks Harpo - I'll try it with your suggestions.

BTW, I posted here because DErry said to do so in the original post to this thread. In future I'll post in the bugs section.

Cheers,

Ray D

No complaints.. it just keeps getting better..
I dont see tu many sites that utilize the animation this programe can accomplish
Thanks !!
Greg

Well done fellas ..

Hi Kitedancer,

You're right, people don't seem to be too many examples of animation - we're always looking for examples

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Derry:Gimme some time an a place to up load them to hehehe
This new one has fixed a few problems i was having with the web engine ..i got arround most of them ..but i got a touch depresed .. and stopped playing..:-) Know wao i mean hehehehe
The interface is so much eazyer and every thing i could not get to work, now works .. yaaa for the home team ..
All the best folks..
Greg
PS More to come //

I have been using SS for about a year and for the last few weeks have been trying out SS Pro Beta4 generally I like it and would like to upgrade when it's available, however I have a few observations that maybe somebody can help with please

When I open the program I am getting a warning that I have only 9 days left on this preview program. Can I download another copy when this expires and continue testing until SS Pro is launched?

A question about the HTML/SVG dropdown box, if I use the new preview button with a project created in SS then change the HTML to SVG I get a message stating that "XML parsing failed" syntax error (Line: xxx, Character:xx). Specification: www.w3.org/ etc.,etc.
Is this something that can be used to assist in W3C Mark Up Validation?

Also I noticed that some text has the scroll bar activated when it isn't needed and some text is overlapping other text and needs adjusting. Is this something that is going to need adjusting on every page if I upgrade?

Thanks for your time

This message has been edited. Last edited by: TonyC,

SSPro is a separate program to SS and needs to be registered separately. It uses the same registration details as Web Engine, so if you have previously registered WE, use those details. If you have not registered WE, you can probably eke out a few more than 9 more trial days by leaving your computer running without closing down SSPro.

I think I saw somewhere that the SVG aspect is "not yet ready for prime time". The SVG problem you have indicates a problem with the SVG that SSPro has created -- I have also seen those problems.

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Also I noticed that some text has the scroll bar activated when it isn't needed and some text is overlapping other text and needs adjusting.

What browser are you using? There are some differences between IE7 and Firefox and maybe you are seeing those. I know that bulleted lists cause problems because the built-in CSS does not yet set the spacing for those -- the result is differing text spacing in different browsers.

If those are not your issues, can you publish some examples and post a link to them?

Hi TonyC,

Regarding the SVG error, you could see a similar error if your SVG viewer or web server is not setup correctly (see more on that here). But, assuming it is, can you post a link to the SVG file that is causing the problem and also mention which SVG viewer you are using.

Thanks.

Hi Bruce,

No I havn't registered WE, I have SS so I guess I will have to wait until SSPro is launched to continue trying it out.

I am using IE7 (I didn't try it yet in FF), when I open this project with SSPro the text box containing "Bed & Breakfast and Self Catering Accommodation in the Romney Marsh Area" appears with scroll bar buttons on the right hand edge.
When I open this project with SSPro the Google box was overlapping the banner at the bottom of the page.
If this is going to happen on a lot of pages it's going to be a boreing old job to rectify them all.

Hi Harpo,

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Harpo:
Regarding the SVG error, you could see a similar error if your SVG viewer or web server is not setup correctly (see more on that here). But, assuming it is, can you post a link to the SVG file that is causing the problem and also mention which SVG viewer you are using.QUOTE]

Don't really understand what your saying here, I have opened a project in SSPro that was created in SS 2.70f when I change the view in "Preview" from HTML to SVG the screen changes to say XML Parsing failed and refers to Line: xxx Character: xxx which is actually a Statcounter Code copied from statcounter.com

Ok, I think that explains the problem. If you are adding your own HTML code it won't parse correctly as SVG. You would need an SVG version of the statcounter code, if such a thing exists.

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I am using IE7 (I didn't try it yet in FF), when I open this project with SSPro the text box containing "Bed & Breakfast and Self Catering Accommodation in the Romney Marsh Area" appears with scroll bar buttons on the right hand edge.
When I open this project with SSPro the Google box was overlapping the banner at the bottom of the page.
If this is going to happen on a lot of pages it's going to be a boreing old job to rectify them all.

I think both these changes are because SSPro now controls the line spacing of text objects using CSS. Currently you are relying on the default action of the visitor's browser -- which does vary!

The text object on your banner page (Obj48) has auto-scroll on. You could fix the extra scrollbar buttons by turning autoscroll off -- I don't think you need autoscroll in that position. If you do, just make the text object a little taller.

A partial overlap already exists in the body of the text on Dr Syn's page -- try viewing the page in Firefox and compare with IE7. At least with SSPro you will get a consistent overlap in both IE7 and Firefox

Harpo,
OK, thanks for the explanation.

Bruce,
Thanks for your input on that, I don't need auto-scroll on that text box, I didn't realise that it was on. Can you share your magic with us, I would be very interested to know how you knew it was turned on? I turned it off and can't see any difference in the code. Likewise with the overlap.

The difference is in the CSS at the top of the page -- in your case, this line:

#Oobj48 {position:absolute;overflow:auto;z-index:5;visibility:visible;
  text-align:left;left:34px;top:71px;width:481px;height:21px;}

Regular text objects don't have "overflow:auto".

Overlaps are caused by variations in text line spacing. More here. One of the advantages of SSPro is that it now has CSS to control line spacing, and other things. So in SSPro, the line spacing discrepancies between your workpage and browser views should be mostly gone. But there will be differences between what you have now, and what you get with SSPro.

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The difference is in the CSS at the top of the page... Regular text objects don't have "overflow:auto".

Thanks again, I missed that!

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One of the advantages of SSPro is that it now has CSS to control line spacing, and other things. So in SSPro, the line spacing discrepancies between your workpage and browser views should be mostly gone.

This sounds like another good reason to upgrade when SSPro comes out.

I like the changes and updates, though some programmers dislike animation, the fact is we build the sites for others/consumers to see not for ourselves. Market research shows that making the site more experience base is key.

I love the ability for mobile phones and previewing several resolutions.

I would really like to have easier ways to make "forms" and a way to manage the text auto scroll colors and look (maybe allow us to add our own designed auto scroller).

When is Site Spinner PRO going to be released!!! I am ready to move to it!!!

Hi pureexpresion,

Glad to hear you like the new SiteSpinner Pro beta. I can't give you an exact date for the final release, though I can say it won't be much longer

HI, couple questions:
Is SSP beta4 the most current beta version?
Will a new project started in SSP beta4 work moving forward thru final release?

Thanks

Yes to both questions. I suppose there is a faint chance that projects built now might not work with the final version. In that case there should be some kind of workaround.