Hello,

To repeat, one of my fascinations with .jpg and .png files, but especially the former, is the vast supply of tools (usually freeware or donation-ware) available to add to your "D_L toolkit." Amongst my .jpg file massage programs I include, Makaha, Image Analyzer, XnView, EasyPeg, DeKnop, Instacropper, 602Pro PC Suite, JPEG Wizard2, PicPerk, IrfranView, VallenJPeggar, and Easy Color Themes.

The following, by way of a starting place, is the closing for the moment of my 3D fascination --- about which may I stress again concerns possibilities, not the aesthetics of the particular item on display.

(a) The 1st is the raw SVG display created in Web Engine.

(b) The 2nd is a result of taking the screen captured .bmp file; converting it to a .jpg file in Makaha; creating an image map in Image Analyzer followed by the creation of the 3D model; followed by some massaging with XnView.

(c) The third is about post-3D possibilities. The top creation is the original 3D result (which was cropped and rescaled to 800x600) screen captured and put through the 3D process a second time; followed by a bit of "pinch and punch" with EasyPeg.

The 3rd, bottom left, is the original with an adjustment in Hue, Saturation, and Luminescence in a panoramic view with the former mirror imaged, processed into split Colour Planes, with Poisson and Laplacian noise added.

The images were added to Web Engine via the stretch feature in the Shading Editor.

Ooops; about a link:

http://members.shaw.ca/rcswebby/RCrossha.html

Cheers,

Muzz

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Hi All,

There is actually a technique one can use for creating the proper perspective of a 3 dimensional object on a two dimensional surface; All that I am going to say right now is that the cross(es) in the above are done wrong -- I just received a lesson on the subject from an expert.

Muzz

Hi Muzz,

Does that mean we are going to be privileged to see the 'right way'?

- Derry

Hi Derry,......Are you on your knees? Heck, I don't know; I was corrected by an expert, but that doesn't make me one. I am, however, studying the subject a bit passionately.

Here is a sample from the file I am creating on the vertex editor; and though I knew the result was wrong, be darned if I could figure out why. ,,,To set this up, stand in the centre of a room and look straight at a corner: How do you create the effect of an overhead ceiling??

Wrong way:

http://members.shaw.ca/rcswebby/aparthma.html

Next post will have the fix.

Cheers,

Muzz

Hi,....Here is how it should have been done. Obvious with hindsight.

http://members.shaw.ca/rcswebby/aparthmb.html

Next I'll try put something together on "perspective" providing two people are interested.

There is a link in the above to a picture (apparently) famous as an example of perspective used in an engraving. It is indeed an education to behold.

Cheers,

Muzz

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Hi Muzz,

We'll, I am interested.

- Derry

This is truly impressive Muzz. I love the colour combination
Goldie

Hi Goldie and Derry,

Thanks a bunch for the support; ...the "numbers" are on the low side, but I was expecting that from the outset. As I said, any interest at all will be obliged.

The truth is I am "going to school" right now: and I am my own instructor plus the Wunderkind whenever he drops by.

From the very outset, it was clear to anyone who viewed SVG that is possesses a compenent of "depth" to it that HTML simply doesn't. Hence it makes much sense to purse 3D imaging whether in SVG or SVG plus JPEG. Hence to anyone who is interested in "design" in SVG, there are a number of basic skills to acquire -- two of which are "perspective" and "colour."

I usually, in fact, first just use black and white, and change colours later when I am satisfied with the gradients.

Thus, all I am doing right now is "learning" with little concern for actual web site building. (When you are building a site, you are too concerned with how others are going to view it to truly experiment much.) A year ago I understood very little about this business. Now I know how much I don't understand. There is, for instance, more to perspective than knowing how to draw railway tracks.

There will be a "Final Phase I Knox" -- a revision of what now exists. But more importantly, my client wants a Phase II Knox and is willing to wait while I hone my skills in order that I may respond in kind to a very large challenge.

MEET MUZZ It has been snowing since about 4 am so I changed my plans for today and worked on Muzz.

(embedded SVG: 800x600)
http://members.shaw.ca/rcswebby/DecMuzha.html

It still needs work, but is a difficult image to enhance. There were dozens of steps not mentioned, especially merging, because there are contrary aims with this particular time seriers: Removing high wavenumber noise and pixel boundaries while at the same enhancing the signal.

Some notes on "perspective" will come regardless -- plus other subjects perhaps.

Cheers,

Muzz

Hi Muzz,

It is always nice to be able to work for the sake of honing one's skills.

Interesting effect - but where's the hat?

- Derry

With skills like that you could be finding new faces on Cydonia!

(a)... "Possibility to stop time hides the key of the limits of the thoughts...."

http://www.dankeying.co/English/Home_E.htm

(b)...Thus, are we talking about Cydonia videlicet "the face" on Mars? ...1500 feet high!! (Now that puts a perspective on things.)

(c)...Or are we talking about cookery, to wit, "to treat with the juice of quince seeds." (OED unab.; from the Latin Cydonia "quince from Cydonia).

You are on a "roll," Harpo!

Just wait until you see the final edition of Muzz in 3D.

(d) Well, Derry, I wasn't allowed to wear it because the "Wunderkind" was using me in a "before and after" picture for a Canon commercial: he said I had "character." (I do, in fact, usually don an Australian style "cowboy" hat! And how often do you wear yours? )

They are not "effects," Derry; they are the trend in art I am setting for the future!

Cheers guys and Goldie.

Muzz

Hi Muzz

I am looking forward to seeing you in 3D. Keep up the good work.

Oh yes, this link gave me a "Bad Gateway" http://www.dankeying.co/English/Home_E.htm

Goldie

Hi Goldie,

Thanks for the link information: I think the .co should have read .com/

Anyway, try this (When you want the obscure, search with BullsEye if you can still find it)

http://www.dankeying.com/

The opening pages of that site are fantastic. I have a "list" too (reference elsewhere) and animation is on it. But notice the use, also, of psuedo 3D and perspective on the 2nd page (click on the British flag). Nice font.

I have been trying to "solve" the Muzz picture as well as create a modified Knox Foundation crest for about a year now! It reminds me of processing seismic data from the MacKenzie Delta region of the Beaufort Sea. By the time you finished filtering out the "noise," there wasn't much in the way of "signal" left.

And the above means, to get back to the cocktail party subject of "Time Series Analysis," handcrafting a 2D spatial filter instead of using the built in ones.

To use an old saying,...

Much Obliged Goldie,
Cheers,

Muzz

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That would be the faces on Mars.

Richard Hoagland believes there are monuments up there and if only he had better image processing (or NASA would stop forging the images it sends him, to hide the existence of ET life) he could prove it. He is quixotic but, I think, misguided.